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Printed From: Yachts and Yachting Online
Category: Dinghy classes
Forum Name: Dinghy development
Forum Discription: The latest moves in the dinghy market
URL: http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=13886
Printed Date: 28 May 22 at 7:53pm
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Topic: 2022
Posted By: 423zero
Subject: 2022
Date Posted: 14 Jan 22 at 5:30pm
This year looking a lot better, we could be back to normal.
Going to be looking for a single hander, probably a 'Solo' or a 'Laser', sold all mine last year.
Hoping to do a series of opens, with camping nearby and a good pub with food, hopefully a couple of pubs, shop and a cafe, fingers crossed for sunny weather and brisk winds, good company.
Happy New year.


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Robert



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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 14 Jan 22 at 7:46pm
Thought you were a fellow 'proper'weight, 67-72kg, better get a Streaker. Better still get a D0. HNY back

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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 14 Jan 22 at 7:51pm
5'10" 13 stone/82.5kg, loads of suitable boats.

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Robert


Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 14 Jan 22 at 9:06pm
Originally posted by iGRF

Thought you were a fellow 'proper'weight, 67-72kg, better get a Streaker. Better still get a D0. HNY back
Thatís Radial county, fraction of the price and less depreciation. 


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http://proasail.blogspot.com


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 15 Jan 22 at 10:01am
Been offered a full spec Topaz, raceX sail, two handed sails with stayed mast, never sailed one, owner said it is a modern fast Skiff.

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Robert


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 15 Jan 22 at 10:06am
Owner has a slightly rose tinted view of his Topaz LOL 

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Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish"


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 15 Jan 22 at 10:14am
Forgot to say its got a spinnaker too, he uses it with the raceX sail, easily beats the Lasers and Aeroes at his club, must be fairly competent if he can solo and use a spinney.

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Robert


Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 15 Jan 22 at 12:01pm
Originally posted by 423zero

Been offered a full spec Topaz, raceX sail, two handed sails with stayed mast, never sailed one, owner said it is a modern fast Skiff.


But you wonít find any opens it even class racing. Youíd be better with a Laser (Masters circuit) or Solo if you want to go to events.

Or a 100 obvs

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Posted By: The Moo
Date Posted: 15 Jan 22 at 1:19pm
Topaz Race X might be "fun" in a blow, but from what I have seen of them, they are beyond s***e in the light stuff.


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 15 Jan 22 at 1:21pm
Comet Zero, reasonably priced, for sale at same place, never sailed one though, seen one, look like a wide Laser.

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Robert


Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 15 Jan 22 at 1:33pm
Comet Zero.   Sailed a Club one once before I got my Laser moved up to new Club, felt short and very rolly; once was enough, Laser felt a lot more together.


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 15 Jan 22 at 1:45pm
This one is centre main, ones I have seen are aft.

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Robert


Posted By: Grumpycat
Date Posted: 15 Jan 22 at 3:11pm
Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Owner has a slightly rose tinted view of his Topaz LOL 


I think thatís putting it mildly LOL


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 15 Jan 22 at 4:57pm
What is problem with Topaz?
Weight?
Rotomould snobbery?
Poor Hull shape?




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Robert


Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 15 Jan 22 at 5:29pm
Originally posted by 423zero

What is problem with Topaz?
Weight?
Rotomould snobbery?
Poor Hull shape?



You will never get anyone here to be positive about roto moulded boat. They have there good points, maintenance free and robust. To call it a modern skiff is a stretch,  unofficially PY 1170 so you are well behind the solos and even further behind Lasers. It does have a roomy cockpit for its type and has a degree of flexibility it terms of rig etc. Covid has completely messed up the second hand market, good boats are hard to get and top $$$ and once things normalise deprecation might be eye watering. It 100% depends on what sort of sailing you want to do, how much he is asking, state of boat etc etc. But if he wants £1500 for it you keep it for a year and sell it for £1000 itís only cost £42 a month a little over  two pints a week down here, ignoring club fees etc. sums change if you need to buy new sails. 


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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 15 Jan 22 at 6:38pm
Found one Thumbs Up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3QE01xWrAQ



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Robert


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 15 Jan 22 at 9:27pm
Originally posted by 423zero

What is problem with Topaz?
Weight?
Rotomould snobbery?
Poor Hull shape?




All of the above. Mind, the asymmetric raceX is the best rig of a bad lot.

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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 15 Jan 22 at 9:29pm
Originally posted by 423zero

This one is centre main, ones I have seen are aft.


Comet Zero is the miniature doublehanded boat with jib, looking like a very scaled down Trio. Nothing like a Laser.

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Firefly 2324, Lightning 130, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 15 Jan 22 at 9:41pm
Comet uno? It's the one that broke away and started its own class association.

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Robert


Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 15 Jan 22 at 9:59pm
Originally posted by 423zero

Comet uno? It's the one that broke away and started its own class association.

They then created a card game that was rather successful 


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Tink
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 15 Jan 22 at 10:29pm
It's just called a Comet.
Www.cometsailing.co.uk

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Robert


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 15 Jan 22 at 11:55pm
Originally posted by 423zero

What is problem with Topaz?
Weight?
Rotomould snobbery?
Poor Hull shape?



It's not bad, a decent boat for lightweight beginners, and an absolute hoot with two 'normal' adults for a quick blast in F6+ but it's also quite cramped for grown ups and only performs 'adequately'. They used to be cheap but there're lots of other boats I'd rather spend £1500 on, just for starters a Solo or Laser if you sail on a lake or an old Blaze if your local spot is open water.




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Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish"


Posted By: Paramedic
Date Posted: 16 Jan 22 at 8:38am
The thing with Rotomoulds is they have their place.

But discussing their virtues on here is a bit like posting on a car enthusiasts forum that you've just bought a Kia Picanto. Both have the same basic stuff that the members get excited about but aren't really what the audience are into LOL


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 16 Jan 22 at 8:55am
Originally posted by 423zero

Comet uno? It's the one that broke away and started its own class association.


The Comet (and its association) predates the other Comet classes by quite some margin. I owned 190 back 20 years ago or so, and had good fun. Much shorter than a Laser, and a tendency to death roll in much breeze (I did, anyway) but a nice little boat.

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Firefly 2324, Lightning 130, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 16 Jan 22 at 10:05am
Not sure about this, but it appears to be an American boat from the 1930's.


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Robert


Posted By: Grumpycat
Date Posted: 16 Jan 22 at 2:59pm
Different boat . 


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 16 Jan 22 at 3:23pm
Not many boats of any description about, well not good ones anyway.

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Robert


Posted By: Grumpycat
Date Posted: 16 Jan 22 at 3:42pm
Comet is a nice little singlehander  ( I have a half share in Comet 838 with mrs grumpycat ) but it is two faced to sail . In light to mid wind itís fairly vice free but when the wind gets up the combination of being wide and short and the rounded hull shape means the boat will put you in down wind very easily Especially when itís got itís original rig and with rear sheeting . 
There is now the option of another rig called the XTRA . This has a slightly shorter mast with a more efficient, slightly smaller sail , this makes the boat a lot easier to sail in strong winds but it is very slightly slower very  light winds . You pay your money and take your choice as they sail off the same handicap . Other snippets of info , it has a soft py ( if the sailor is good enough to cope with its down wind behaviour) , itís build quality is good , they are good value for the money and if you prefer centre sheeting the manufacturer sell conversion kits . 


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 17 Jan 22 at 7:57am
Filled first part of shopping list, got a nice Enterprise from a friend of a friend.

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Robert


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 17 Jan 22 at 12:59pm
Looking at it and wondering about raising the floor, need to check if it will be legal.

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Robert


Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 17 Jan 22 at 1:19pm
Originally posted by The Moo

Topaz Race X might be "fun" in a blow, but from what I have seen of them, they are beyond s***e in the light stuff.


It is what it is. An entry level budget boat which has a wide variety of rigs in an effort to fulfil many roles. It probably does that as well as might be expected, but bearing in mind its notorious that there are no boats that are great singlehanders and great two handers, it would be foolish to expect it to be able to be even close to a boat designed for a particular role.


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 17 Jan 22 at 3:19pm
Originally posted by Grumpycat

it has a soft py


What's this? Woke speak for it's a bandit?

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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 17 Jan 22 at 6:49pm
PY suitable for all Smile

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Robert


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 17 Jan 22 at 7:05pm
Sympathetic adjustment 'P'rovided for 'Y'ou Thumbs Up

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Robert


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 17 Jan 22 at 7:16pm
To be fair, 20 years ago it had a hellish yardstick - I seem to remember being expected to keep up with Solos. Might have gone a bit the other way but I suspect it would still lag far behind in a breeze.

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Posted By: Riv
Date Posted: 17 Jan 22 at 7:24pm
Topaz is an odd but interesting boat, club has a single sail one and in a blow it is far far nicer than a Laser to sail. Much more comfortable. Less leg ache and the boom is higher.Kids all love it.

However it is really a two person boat. It has a lot of volume behind the mast step to support the second person. This means that single handed it is always bow up and slams. The only way to get the bow down and the stern out of the water upwind or in light winds is to hike over the dagger board.The front toe straps don't work for this, you need a very long extension and you are forward of the main so tacking is difficult.

The boom on ours was not strong enough for the centre main and has bent.



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Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 17 Jan 22 at 7:29pm
"Looking at it and wondering about raising the floor, need to check if it will be legal."

423.
Caution, remember the Wayfarer SD. They had a rep. for being swines if capsized in anything but flat water; came up with some water aboard and due to the free surface water effect they were inclined to roll straight back over.




Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 17 Jan 22 at 7:30pm
Thereís loads of air shows all over the country. If the dinghy show relates to  airshows when are Southport and Sunderland.

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http://proasail.blogspot.com


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 17 Jan 22 at 7:37pm
Went to Sunderland a few years ago, used the park and ride, what a nightmare, arrivals were spread over a couple of hours, when show ended everyone went to the pick up points, gave up after a couple of hours and got a cab to the car.

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Robert


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 17 Jan 22 at 7:39pm
Do different, 
Was thinking something along the lines of Ent' mk 111.


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Robert


Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 17 Jan 22 at 7:40pm
Yes tried to get there myself and gave up, back on topic, it is a great show if youíve got a boat. 

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http://proasail.blogspot.com


Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 17 Jan 22 at 7:47pm
Ta 423.

Looks a bit better contained than the car ferry width of a Wayfarer. Handshake


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 17 Jan 22 at 7:55pm
Think the slope of the floor is quite steep, goes from nothing at stern, water sheds straight out.
Wayfarer would be a bit of a weeble with gallons of water free running.


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Robert


Posted By: eric_c
Date Posted: 17 Jan 22 at 9:26pm
Originally posted by 423zero

Do different, 
Was thinking something along the lines of Ent' mk 111.

Got to notice the background of Transit Vans, a couple of Jaags, a badass chop and a wheelie bin.


Ent on the mean streets?


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 17 Jan 22 at 9:59pm
Bad ass boat, not in the corner.

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Robert


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 18 Jan 22 at 9:57am
Photo belongs to Rondar, from their website, surprised no one spotted RS 2000.

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Robert


Posted By: eric_c
Date Posted: 18 Jan 22 at 11:45am
Originally posted by 423zero

Photo belongs to Rondar, from their website, surprised no one spotted RS 2000.


If you mean the Ford Escort, it's probably an 1100cc with a bad exhaust and some tacky panel work. If you're talking about the dinghy, I must have mistaken it for  a wheelie bin. Marketing themes from the last century.....


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 18 Jan 22 at 1:10pm
Never sailed a RS 2000, heard they are quite heavy. Edited to add, RS quoting 200kg all up.

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Robert



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