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RS300 vs Nat 12

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Topic: RS300 vs Nat 12
Posted By: GeorgeT415
Subject: RS300 vs Nat 12
Date Posted: 15 Sep 21 at 9:53pm
Hi all,

I have recently sold my Finn in search of somehting a little faster, I am 17, 5ft 11 and about 95kg on a good day - I'm looking at choosing between an RS 300 and nat 12 as I find them to be reasonably similar in hull shape and premise (minimum wetted area - lots of sail) I would be hoping to end up with a crew at some point and obviously the nat 12 has this hands down but I'm not sure I would manage it on my own? (maybe single handed) - whereas the rs is going to be best for single handing and I might have to bite the bullet and get another boat if I end up with crew. any suggestions for other options would be welcome, obviously any comments and ideas/thoughts too. many thanks.

****EDIT**** sailing experience in laser, international canoe, finn, firefly and contender

Aye,
George T



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Posted By: GybeFunny
Date Posted: 16 Sep 21 at 1:19pm
Where will you be sailing? tiny pond? open sea?


Posted By: GeorgeT415
Date Posted: 16 Sep 21 at 4:01pm
Will be sailing on farmoor reservoir and at hill head (the Solent), so a mix of both


Posted By: rich96
Date Posted: 16 Sep 21 at 4:37pm
Neither will be great single handed - definitely not quicker than a Finn unless its a drift ? In the Solent chop a Finn would be much better

Neither have lots of sail either

Why would a 200 be better single handing - its got 3 sails ?

At 95 Kg helming either with a crew will be slow and not rewarding.

Buying a two hander to sail on your own with the occasional crew never seems to work well 

If you want a faster boat get a faster single hander ?. Contender, Phantom ?




Posted By: GybeFunny
Date Posted: 16 Sep 21 at 4:49pm
Sounds to me like you need 4 boats, 1 single hander for inland, 1 single hander for the sea, 1 double hander for inland and 1 double hander for the sea, or accept some compromises.


Posted By: sargesail
Date Posted: 16 Sep 21 at 10:05pm
Originally posted by rich96

Neither will be great single handed - definitely not quicker than a Finn unless its a drift ? In the Solent chop a Finn would be much better
Neither have lots of sail either
Why would a 200 be better single handing - its got 3 sails ?
At 95 Kg helming either with a crew will be slow and not rewarding.
Buying a two hander to sail on your own with the occasional crew never seems to work well 
If you want a faster boat get a faster single hander ?. Contender, Phantom ?


Are you misreading the post Rich? The 300 is a singlehanded. Of the boats you reference only the Contender has a lower PY and then only by 1 PY point.

George as a 5 11, 95kg long term 300 owner I would say that the 300 meets your needs although it will present some challenges in the Solent chop.


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 17 Sep 21 at 9:05am
Originally posted by sargesail

it will present some challenges.




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Posted By: H2
Date Posted: 17 Sep 21 at 10:43am
Also depends on budget I guess! As a similar shape in terms of weight and height when I was looking for a single hander I narrowed it to a short list of Phantom, Blaze, Finn and H2. I had not included the 300 probably because one of my mates had one who was on the larger side and he seemed to struggle to get it really flying in anything less than a gale but I am sure it can be done if Sargesail says so and is a similar size!

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Posted By: Oli
Date Posted: 17 Sep 21 at 12:21pm
at 6'3" and 95kg+ the 300 is fine for power, in sail on the Blackwater out of Marconi, so get to sail in the flat and in some nasty chop, it will submarine but it will pop up, just makes it more fun.

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Posted By: Gfinch
Date Posted: 17 Sep 21 at 3:17pm
N12 is a handful single handed. Probably would be fine in Force 2 but above that, you need a crew really.

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Posted By: Old bloke
Date Posted: 17 Sep 21 at 5:11pm
I certainly wouldn't recommend a National as being the ideal boat for George. However, at 95kg he is ,on his own,about the same weight as most of the top crews so I wouldn't expect him to be easily overpowered, and at 5'11" he will have no problem seeing over the crowd to get served at the bar (once he is old enough)


Posted By: LauraLEdge
Date Posted: 17 Jun 22 at 5:43am
Originally posted by GybeFunny

Sounds to me like you need 4 boats, 1 single hander for inland, 1 single hander for the sea, 1 double hander for inland and 1 double hander for the sea, or accept some compromises.
Exactly..either you need 4 http://www.sportsmanfinder.com/boating-gear-supplies" rel="nofollow - boats or need to do dome compromises. 


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Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 17 Jun 22 at 1:36pm
I owned a N12 20 years ago and sailed it regularly singlehanded at 90kg+... it was an old Baggy Trousers design, great fun and dynamic; but you'll need more up-to-date input related to anything newer on the design front.

I've also owned an RS200 which I used to sail singlehanded too... kinda wish I'd kept it given how little I paid for it back then and how much it's worth now.  It'd be a great beach boat with the kids.

Either way, both are going to be a compromise, especially racing them crewless, compared to a dedicated singlehander. It all comes down to the fun factor vs the need to comply with racing convention.

FWIW - the RS300 is one of the best single handers out there still.  Way ahead of its time and I'd snap one up in a heartbeat if I were still living in the UK.  The D-Zero shares many of the niceties of the 300 without the quirkiness when it gets blowy... definitely should be on your list to consider too.


Posted By: NickA
Date Posted: 01 Aug 22 at 10:45pm
Plus a single handed N12 doesn't have a PY if you want to race it. Your club might give you a personal handicap but it feels simultaneously unfair ( howling winds) and a bit of a cheat ( manageable winds).

Big reason I sold my v3000 and got a contender.

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Posted By: Gordon 1430
Date Posted: 02 Aug 22 at 8:33am
Hi 
I have a Phantom at Lee on Solent which might suite you, come and have a look this weekend as we have a combined Contender, Phantom and Solution event. On another day you would be welcome to have a go in my Phantom and see if you fancy one.
Regards
Gordon
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